Seriously, some take themselves (and this site) way too seriously.
Seriously.
Posted on 11/11 7:47 AM | IP: Logged
I stole this from a poster earlier so I can't take credit for it, but this exemplifies the MBC.
Posted on 11/10 7:15 PM | IP: Logged
We could have made this a a two-deep roster had we gone all the back to the beginning of the Mack era (Hello, Adam Black), but we decided to keep this focused on players that who have come through since the coining of the phrase.
How is the defensive back (Mouton ??) from california that committed to michigan doing? Also, what was the qb's name (may have been a JUCO) that turned Mack down a few years ago and opted for some small school, UNLV I believe.
Posted on 11/10 4:16 PM | IP: Logged
Mouton has been a pretty solid LB for Michigan. The only negative I've seen is that he punched a ND player and got a one game suspension. Kind of a minor deal.
Posted on 11/10 5:43 PM | IP: Logged
Awesome article Ketch. This article is just stating facts, nothing more nothing less.
Posted on 11/10 6:57 PM | IP: Logged
Watch out Devon Kennard..
Posted on 11/10 6:56 PM | IP: Logged
Mouton and the DB/safety that went to ND, the QB that went to Miami and left are definitely additions to the list.
Posted on 11/10 4:46 PM | IP: Logged
This should be submitted for a Pulitzer. Absolutely brilliant.
Posted on 11/10 5:15 PM | IP: Logged
I believe that we have some closet ags and sooners on this forum. How could any REAL Longhorn fan NOT like this article? This just shows that it "pays" to be a Longhorn. If you tell Texas no - bad things will happen to you. If I was a big time recruit and Texas was interested in me, I would be scared to death NOT to yes to the Horns.
Always remember that God is a Longhorn - if not, why is the sunset burnt orange?
Great job Ketch!!! May the mighty Force be with you!
Posted on 11/10 5:39 PM | IP: Logged
Fantastic, Don't Mess With Texas is the phrase that comes to mind after reading that, and I agree this should be archived!
Posted on 11/10 1:32 PM | IP: Logged
Great work and a very, very interesting read.
Posted on 11/10 1:03 PM | IP: Logged
Love it love it love it.
Posted on 11/10 1:14 PM | IP: Logged
Thanks for the article - I really enjoyed it. I'd forgotten about a lot of those players.
Hook 'Em
Posted on 11/10 12:56 PM | IP: Logged
I'll take a guess...Adrian Peterson. Ketch??????????????
Posted on 11/10 11:16 AM | IP: Logged
The MBC is DEFINITELY talked about in a lot of places other than OB. It is talked about on sports radio here in Houston every February or when one of the players is brought up. Remember, sports is superstitious in general and a curse is a hot topic.
Posted on 11/10 11:14 AM | IP: Logged
thanks for the hard work! Love it!
Posted on 11/10 10:01 AM | IP: Logged
To all those complaining about this article....
REALLY?
Lighten up, do you really have nothing better to do than complain about an article that is meant to be humorous?
Ketch, maybe you should send these types of articles to the sensitive-types on this site to get their stamp of approval before you publish them. God forbid that someone gets offended.
Posted on 11/10 9:46 AM | IP: Logged
Originally posted by Kevlar1977: To all those complaining about this article....
REALLY?
Lighten up, do you really have nothing better to do than complain about an article that is meant to be humorous?
Ketch, maybe you should send these types of articles to the sensitive-types on this site to get their stamp of approval before you publish them. God forbid that someone gets offended.
Hopefully this will be the last time I post on this topic, and I will try to explain my personal position as simply as possible.
I myself am not overly sensitive. I myself enjoyed reading the article and was not offended by a single thing in it. I myself could talk about the MBC all day and have a great time doing it. And I have no interest in being the mouthpiece for all the people who have problems with the article. I personally don’t give a shit.
I was simply stating an opinion--which to me seems rather self-evident and irrefutable--that it's a questionable business decision for a recruiting website to write an article which (intentionally or not) pokes fun at recruits. I would venture to say that every person mentioned in the article put money in Ketch’s pocket by giving him an interview, and thus satisfying those of us who pay for the information. This isn’t Barking Carnival or Shaggy Bevo. It’s a freaking recruiting site that is able to break stories because the mods have relationships (and corresponding trust) with these kids and their families.
Is it not possible that some parents will want to protect their children from being future fodder for this kind of piece? Will you see a problem if those recruits are not quite as open or accessible to OB reporters in the future? Will you complain about Ketch being scooped if news of their commitment is broken by another site? Is it a stretch to suggest that any strain in the relationship between the mods and the people who are willing to talk to them could lead to less inside information for those of us who love recuiting?
I’m so glad this piece exists and think it should be required reading for certain recruits, but if you can’t see the distinction between one of us writing it and the owner of the site writing it, then it is you who has bigger things to worry about than my opinion.
And again, sorry to be a dick about this and possibly hijack the thread. That was never my intention and I generally detest internet pissing matches. I'm not complaining. I'm not overreacting since I personally don't care about the article or its repercussions. And I'm not flying off the handle like that lunatic whose post was deleted last night. I’m only responding because I am consistently baffled by the logic of many of the posters here.
Posted on 11/10 10:42 AM | IP: Logged
I am in the middle group. On one hand, it was a interesting read, throw back to the days of the past and pretty damn funny. On the other hand, the old saying of what goes around, comes around. While it may not be in bad taste to many on the board, you can not write an article like that and not get some repercussions from it.
I am torn on whether or not this should have been written, but I think that this should have been insider info for OB only. But who is to say that it would not be copied and pasted all over the internet anyway.
Ketch and co., I love what you all have done here, but I think the article should come down. Not only do recruits and fans read these forums, but if word gets around to the UT Administration or Coaching staff, some credibility that you have worked so hard to build could be forever lost.
Just my two cents.
Posted on 11/10 9:39 AM | IP: Logged
I guess my only problem is that the list is too liberal. Unless there are things most of us are not privy to, I wouldn't include several of those guys. As others have said, some kids simply choose somewhere else. I usually reserve the MBC title for the ones who are sketchy about their recruitment (i.e. teasing/jerking Texas around), unethical, switching commitments, or just generally bad mouthing Texas during or after recruitment. I'll give examples, IMO.
Sketchy: (possible) McFarland - One of the weirdest situations I've ever seen for a recruit that had his star dim drastically his senior year. We'll see if he pans out.
Unethical: Scott - Silent commit or not, I put him in this group. Much of the speculation was that there were unethical reasons ($) for his commitment.
Decommit: Perriloux - All time MBC poster boy, IMO.
Bad Mouthing: Bomar - "Mack Brown hugged me!" We'll also reserve a spot for McFarland in this category should he not pan out. That article in the Times was straight up libel.
So, there's my take. I'm sure there are many more as we are not privy to all the information. And though an interesting read, I have to agree with others that I'm not sure it necessitated a documented list. Sorry to be a party pooper.
Posted on 11/10 9:55 AM | IP: Logged
Since when is expressing a contrary opinion that is supported by facts "complaining" or "having your panties in a wad"? I thought football message boards were for discussing football. I wasn't aware that everyone had to agree on everything around here. Did I stumble upon the A&M board?
Posted on 11/10 10:08 AM | IP: Logged
Originally posted by Mack Tripper: Since when is expressing a contrary opinion that is supported by facts "complaining" or "having your panties in a wad"? I thought football message boards were for discussing football. I wasn't aware that everyone had to agree on everything around here. Did I stumble upon the A&M board?
You answered your own question. People weren't "discussing football." They were discussing some sort of ethical dilemma of this article, which is laughable. It is an internet recruting article. It's no different than when Ketch writes the "looking back at the class of 19XX" article and documents who was a huge bust. This one is just calling some of them out for being @ssclowns on top of being busts. Ryan Perriloux deserves every negative article that is written about him, and maybe more. He was an asshat that blatantly lied to grown men and respectable coaches that just wanted honest truth.
If you want to discuss weather the people in here are truly busts or not, great, but to debate the moral high grounds of major college football recruiting articles is a joke.
Posted on 11/10 10:56 AM | IP: Logged
Some have asked for a list of those that spurned us and went on to stardom. I am more interested in a list of those that did come here where other schools felt disrespected or poorly treated. Of course, my selective memory prevents me from thinking of many of those since when they decide to come to UT it is universally thought to be a great decision.
I am sure Tenn fans would put Chris Simms on that list since he bailed on them at the last minute. While he didn't quite live up to number 1 recruit billing (few do) he had a very good career.
I can't think of others but I am sure there are some. I know the Aggies used to have a lot of decommits. How many of those came to us? How did they pan out?
This post was edited on 11/10 9:31 AM by skihorn
Posted on 11/10 9:20 AM | IP: Logged
It lives!!
GM
Posted on 11/10 9:07 AM | IP: Logged
Come on guys. This article is in poor taste, particularly coming from OB management.
Posted on 11/10 9:15 AM | IP: Logged
the article is fine, but i do think posters on here go too fart when talking about recruits. its as if no one on here was a kid or has kids that have made mistakes before, these kids are 16-18 years old and most don't deserve to have their failures cheered for and mocked
Posted on 11/10 11:08 AM | IP: Logged
Put me down as another who has no problem (and even enjoyed) most of it, but wish it had only involved the players who were unethical or intentionally jerked Mack around.
That said, Bobby Reid? My recollection is he wanted to come to UT and we gave him the cold shoulder and put all of our eggs in the Bomar basket. When we lost there we went back to him with hat in hand. I believe (could be wrong) that he had already committed to OkieSt and told us no thanks. If my recollection is correct, I would say that is someone who handled the situation very ethically.
Posted on 11/10 8:58 AM | IP: Logged
Originally posted by skihorn: Put me down as another who has no problem (and even enjoyed) most of it, but wish it had only involved the players who were unethical or intentionally jerked Mack around.
That said, Bobby Reid? My recollection is he wanted to come to UT and we gave him the cold shoulder and put all of our eggs in the Bomar basket. When we lost there we went back to him with hat in hand. I believe (could be wrong) that he had already committed to OkieSt and told us no thanks. If my recollection is correct, I would say that is someone who handled the situation very ethically.
I don't disagree with that. I took him out of the article.
Posted on 11/10 9:02 AM | IP: Logged
What people call the MBC is actually just low character guys self selecting themselves.
Posted on 11/10 9:06 AM | IP: Logged
Originally posted by skihorn: Put me down as another who has no problem (and even enjoyed) most of it, but wish it had only involved the players who were unethical or intentionally jerked Mack around.
That said, Bobby Reid? My recollection is he wanted to come to UT and we gave him the cold shoulder and put all of our eggs in the Bomar basket. When we lost there we went back to him with hat in hand. I believe (could be wrong) that he had already committed to OkieSt and told us no thanks. If my recollection is correct, I would say that is someone who handled the situation very ethically.
I'm pretty sure Bobby Reid thought bad things about Texas along the way and Mack Brown channelled into his brainwaves.
Posted on 11/10 9:01 AM | IP: Logged
I think RJ Washington will find his name on this list in time.
Posted on 11/10 8:35 AM | IP: Logged
Great piece but I question the inclusion of Fred Rouse since he was never offered a ship by us as I understand it.
Posted on 11/10 8:32 AM | IP: Logged
Originally posted by echeese: Great piece but I question the inclusion of Fred Rouse since he was never offered a ship by us as I understand it.
Rouse was included because he was part of the crazy trinity from the Class of 2005 that set the bar for silliness for the Texas staff.
Posted on 11/10 8:37 AM | IP: Logged
UT dodged a lot of bullets.
Posted on 11/10 8:23 AM | IP: Logged
Great article and a lot of fun to read. For those taking it way to seriously, lighten up a little. It's not like anyone is saying Mack is some kind of witch doctor with a real ability to curse. It's just remarking how it's all played out. If it bothers you, why did you read it? It's not like I couldn't tell what it was going to be about when it's titled "Breaking Down the Best of the Mack Brown Curse".
Posted on 11/10 8:42 AM | IP: Logged
Guys, I'll state again that our intention wasn't to re-invent the wheel. We simply brought some focus into a conversation that is constantly taking place, especially when you consider some of the directions that some of the stories went to.
If we crossed a line with the article for some of you, we do apologize. We're always looking for new and creative stuff to bring you guys and we guessed that this would be an article of big interest on the site.
Posted on 11/10 10:31 AM | IP: Logged
I'm not sure how guys we recruited late in the process who've already gotten love from other teams would be characterized as experiencing the "MBC". For example, Xavier Lee, for even considering us tells me he's an all right guy. As others have mentioned, we were the ones who spurned Bobby Reid only to pick up our recruitment later after Bomar committed to blowu.
In my opinion, the "MBC" is reserved for those who lied to us, bad mouthed us, were of very questionable character, or just plain flakes. Ofa, Rouse, Scott, Periloser, and Bomar are the prime examples of the "MBC" if there truly is one.
Posted on 11/10 10:56 AM | IP: Logged
Originally posted by Ketchum: Guys, I'll state again that our intention wasn't to re-invent the wheel. We simply brought some focus into a conversation that is constantly taking place, especially when you consider some of the directions that some of the stories went to.
If we crossed a line with the article for some of you, we do apologize. We're always looking for new and creative stuff to bring you guys and we guessed that this would be an article of big interest on the site.
Fair enough, and sorry for interjecting myself in the discussion in such a prominent way. It's not something I usually care to do. Hopefully the vast majority of posters can see that my personal position has more to do with a concern for how the site will be perceived moving forward than any of the straw man rebuttals I responded to.
Posted on 11/10 10:47 AM | IP: Logged
Originally posted by FrankBooth:
Originally posted by Ketchum: Guys, I'll state again that our intention wasn't to re-invent the wheel. We simply brought some focus into a conversation that is constantly taking place, especially when you consider some of the directions that some of the stories went to.
If we crossed a line with the article for some of you, we do apologize. We're always looking for new and creative stuff to bring you guys and we guessed that this would be an article of big interest on the site.
Fair enough, and sorry for interjecting myself in the discussion in such a prominent way. It's not something I usually care to do. Hopefully the vast majority of posters can see that my personal position has more to do with a concern for how the site will be perceived moving forward than any of the straw man rebuttals I responded to.
+ 1. well, except for not usually interjecting into a discussion.
I think your position is well stated FrankB.
Posted on 11/10 10:52 AM | IP: Logged
Actually Ketch, what would be of more interest, IMO, would be a list of guys who we missed out on that went big-time elsewhere. I know we all poke fun at Lane but how do we do in '06 if we have him. Or if not him, how 'about Jacob Hester? If we get Peterson we're probably talking two national titles for Mack already instead of one.
Posted on 11/10 10:46 AM | IP: Logged
Originally posted by RLong68: Actually Ketch, what would be of more interest, IMO, would be a list of guys who we missed out on that went big-time elsewhere. I know we all poke fun at Lane but how do we do in '06 if we have him. Or if not him, how 'about Jacob Hester? If we get Peterson we're probably talking two national titles for Mack already instead of one.
we're working on the same type of story as a follow-up.
Posted on 11/10 10:54 AM | IP: Logged
Originally posted by Ketchum:
Originally posted by RLong68: Actually Ketch, what would be of more interest, IMO, would be a list of guys who we missed out on that went big-time elsewhere. I know we all poke fun at Lane but how do we do in '06 if we have him. Or if not him, how 'about Jacob Hester? If we get Peterson we're probably talking two national titles for Mack already instead of one.
we're working on the same type of story as a follow-up.
Look forward to it. I think that would really be an interesting read.
Posted on 11/10 10:57 AM | IP: Logged
Originally posted by RLong68:
Originally posted by Ketchum:
Originally posted by RLong68: Actually Ketch, what would be of more interest, IMO, would be a list of guys who we missed out on that went big-time elsewhere. I know we all poke fun at Lane but how do we do in '06 if we have him. Or if not him, how 'about Jacob Hester? If we get Peterson we're probably talking two national titles for Mack already instead of one.
we're working on the same type of story as a follow-up.
Look forward to it. I think that would really be an interesting read.
You'll never guess the running back.
Posted on 11/10 11:09 AM | IP: Logged
Originally posted by Ketchum:
Originally posted by RLong68:
Originally posted by Ketchum:
Originally posted by RLong68: Actually Ketch, what would be of more interest, IMO, would be a list of guys who we missed out on that went big-time elsewhere. I know we all poke fun at Lane but how do we do in '06 if we have him. Or if not him, how 'about Jacob Hester? If we get Peterson we're probably talking two national titles for Mack already instead of one.
we're working on the same type of story as a follow-up.
Look forward to it. I think that would really be an interesting read.
You'll never guess the running back.
I'd settle for Cyrus Gray right now to be honest.
Is the article going to be players that Texas offered, or players that were interested in Texas that Texas wouldn't offer? Both perspectives would be interesting.
Posted on 11/10 11:36 AM | IP: Logged
Originally posted by Ketchum:
Originally posted by RLong68:
Originally posted by Ketchum:
Originally posted by RLong68: Actually Ketch, what would be of more interest, IMO, would be a list of guys who we missed out on that went big-time elsewhere. I know we all poke fun at Lane but how do we do in '06 if we have him. Or if not him, how 'about Jacob Hester? If we get Peterson we're probably talking two national titles for Mack already instead of one.
we're working on the same type of story as a follow-up.
Look forward to it. I think that would really be an interesting read.
You'll never guess the running back.
Based on the same loose criteria for the Curse team, there certainly is no shortage of strong candidates. Can't wait to see it.
Posted on 11/10 11:32 AM | IP: Logged
Originally posted by Texas Diesel: Great article and a lot of fun to read. For those taking it way to seriously, lighten up a little. It's not like anyone is saying Mack is some kind of witch doctor with a real ability to curse.
The irony that Ketch is being "ripped" at other sites is pretty funny considering at least one of those sites is best known for it's humor not it's relevance.
jeez folks, lighten up. Guess their mad they didn't think of it.
Posted on 11/10 8:44 AM | IP: Logged
How the hell did you guys leave off Lewis Baker. Dude was was a flake, never could add weight to play LB and saw limited PT/impact at OU.
Derke should be on the list.
How did Bruce Davis avoid the curse? Lucky dude.
As I said before, earlier than your list start date, but how can you leave off Albert Hollis. Kevin Young was also Mack's 1st decommit.
Posted on 11/10 7:42 AM | IP: Logged
Moody has accomplished more than V.Mcgee he shouldn't be on that list.
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